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Comment by albert linegar on July 10, 2011 at 10:38pm

You and I agree on many things here Ed, there are many arguments for and against different forms of fishing/hunting, but that is opening a can of worms. the divide and concur  thing. " GOOD COMMENT".

Comment by Edward Smith on July 10, 2011 at 10:06pm

Well, lets really get technical.... The "brookie", "brook trout", "mud trout", "speckle trout", "Square tail" etc. are vernacular names given to a species of char (yes, a char not a true trout!) known scientifically as Salvelinus fontinalis. The name differs from region to region where the species exists. So, to make any big deal over a name is truly silly. (The Eastern Brook Trout, was named Mud trout here on the Island due to the fact they were mostly found in small ponds that contained a muddy bottom and not as a derogatory term!)

However, I must agree the catch and kill mentality that permeates today is very destructive.  The idea of keeping enough for a meal and releasing the rest is by far the more ethical choice. There is no reason why anyone should retain every fish they catch! No one here would starve if they didn't catch a fish! The ability to go fishing is a privilege and a responsibility, one which we must give great care to ensure that future generations can enjoy as we have. Remember, 70-90% of all wild fish die within the first year! Thus, you should not feel guilty keeping a few for the pan.

Furthermore, the retention of large, mature fish is equally as destructive in my opinion. I would rather see a person take a few six inch trout for a meal than to take one or two larger mature fish (whose spawning potential is far greater).This is the reason why we can only retain salmon 63cm or less!

 

Another, reason I think the idea of catch and release is being promoted or pushed here (do not get me wrong here, I believe in catch and release and practice it.) is due to the fact that many people here are guides. With more fish being released and larger fish becoming plentiful, the more "fun" their clients will have and thus the more the guides wallets grow! Their bottom line depends on it! But, this is not a bad thing! This kind of economy is essential to keeping our wild places clean and healthy!

 

My point here is this... Let us look at the real picture:

1) A name is just that.. a name

2) Catch and kill must change

3) Some retention is good

4) Large, mature fish should be released to spawn

But this is my point of view!!! Not trying to force feed it to anyone! ED

Comment by albert linegar on July 10, 2011 at 2:05pm

I find no need to carry this discussion any further , since I can see where this is going,bear in mind that this is about a name .If I am enjoying the fragrance of a "Rose" and someone says to me b'y that's a stink weed I will not cast it aside since no matter what that person thinks it's name should be the fragrance remains the same. If I call a mud trout a "slob trout " I have a funny feeling it will taste the same. As for a basket where else would you put what you catch and carry your lunch . I will not put one style of fishing/trouting  down to promote another since fishing/trouting would become a victim likewise I will not put down one form of hunting to promote another since hunting would become the victim." What's in a name "  it just isn't worth it.

Comment by albert linegar on July 9, 2011 at 10:46pm

   No doubt that is true in some cases I have seen it myself where it is possible,however the reality of it is that in the habitat that they were forced to live in they would need a shovel since the bog at the bottom was measured in feet , they could not access rivers, which were slow running and also filled with bog.

Comment by albert linegar on July 9, 2011 at 11:06am

Brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis)

  Other common names of the brook trout are brook charr, speckled trout, coaster, brookie, square-tail, mud trout, sea trout, slob trout, native trout, Eastern brook trout, mountain trout, breac, omble de fontaine, truite, truite de mer, and truite mouchetee.

    The name "mud trout "  is a name natural to this species of trout and is a name that has been well earned by this species on the island of Newfoundland, and has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of respect for them. They have in fact defied the scientific notion that they need sandy or silt free gravel to spawn, but I guess that it's only the old timers like myself who know that. As for which size to keep large or small there are sound arguments for and against either. Catch the size that your experience will allow you to catch , eat and enjoy.

                Albert.

Comment by Peter Emberley on July 9, 2011 at 6:57am

That was the way years ago, because if you did not hunt or fish you did not eat. They were hard times, so if you had a chance to get any game or fish you got as many as you could use.

Those days are gone now, for most people anyway. However the mind set is still there.

This is changing with our generation and the generation behind us. I can only hope it dosen't destroy the Brook Trout population first.

Comment by brandon purcell on July 9, 2011 at 1:16am

my parent keep it 6 inches and they will keep anything they catch but i tried to get them to stop and only keep some but its all they eat is trout they all be eaten but they have dropped in the amout they keep significently

Comment by kenneth Griffiths on July 7, 2011 at 6:22pm

I hear you peter, I have seen people call them sandwich trout. I have seen alot of people take trout that a cat wouldn't get a feed of. I see it mostly in parks.

Comment by Peter Emberley on July 7, 2011 at 5:18pm

I just catch and release now, but usually once a year I like to have a meal of Brook Trout.

I have seen people retain shame-full size trout or trying to fill up coolers with trout.

This will eventually lead to the distruction of this beautiful Brook Trout.

I hope I'm wrong!!!

Comment by John Smallwood on July 7, 2011 at 12:28pm

If you only saw the brookie i just saw this morning you wouldnt call it a mud LOL ..and not everyone calls them Muds  nobody here in this area calls them Muds. But, Peter you are correct. The lack of respect, or disrespect if you will, is handed down from father to son as is the retain your limit mentality.......Here we are brought up to be Fish killers as part of our culture But that part of our culture doesn't fit in the Freshwater where we could have one of the best sport fisheries in the world if we would all just limit our catch especially  in the streams and estuaries which are the pathway of brood stock.

A man from GrandFalls Pulled in a 3 pound silver hen here this morning thinking he was playing a salmon,a fish that existed only because NOBODY keeps the fingerlings On the river(fish i see people proudly calling pan trout on streams to the ocean elsewhere)...Muds is more of an east coast slang being spread even more so these days byThe Newfoundland sportsman magazine and TV show...nowhere  else other then here in Eastern Canada is the Brookie given so little regard and in fact ANY Brookie would be a C,n,R Picture trophy In Most of the USA be it 4 inches long or 24......I cringe every time i hear or see the word Mud it perpetuates ignorance about one of the most beautiful and tasty members of the Salmon family...Brook Trout,speckles or Brookies Live their whole life just fine without MUD.

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